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SCIENTISTS FLOCK TO TEST 'FREE ENERGY' DISCOVERY

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SCIENTISTS FLOCK TO TEST 'FREE ENERGY' DISCOVERY
By David Smith
The Observer
Sunday, August 20, 2006

observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_new...00.html

A man who claims to have developed a free energy technology which could
power everything from mobile phones to cars has received more than 400
applications from scientists to test it.

Sean McCarthy says that no one was more sceptical than he when Steorn
<www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx>, his small hi-tech firm in
Dublin, hit upon a way of generating clean, free and constant energy from
the interaction of magnetic fields. 'It wasn't so much a Eureka moment as a
get-back-in-there-and-check-your-instruments moment, although in far more
colourful language,' said McCarthy. But when he attempted to share his
findings, he says, scientists either put the phone down on him or refused to
endorse him publicly in case they damaged their academic reputations. So
last week he took out a full-page advert in the Economist magazine
<www.steorn.net/media/down...creen.pdf>, challenging
the scientific community to examine his technology.

McCarthy claims it provides five times the amount of energy a mobile phone
battery generates for the same size, and does not have to be recharged.
Within 36 hours of his advert appearing he had been contacted by 420
scientists in Europe, America and Australia, and a further 4,606 people had
registered to receive the results.

............

Steorn Website:
www.steorn.net/

Sean McCarthy and Richard Walshe discuss their new energy technology:
www.steorn.net/en/downloads.aspx
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  • This is just another hoax. They will pick their people who will then verify their technology, then seek funding and soon thereafter will disappear from site with a retirement supplied by a bunch of guppies!
    • Unsu...
       
      I love positive people. Makes you wonder how we ever reached the year 2006. Makes you wonder how some people always know its a hoax.
      • There is a big difference between being positive and being gullible. I have seen far too many of these over the years and they do nothing but distract valuable resources explaining why it is a hoax. Too many people expect a silver bullet that will solve all our energy problems and cost next to nothing. It is great to dream, but one needs to be realistic also. The number of engineers working on valid solutions is enormous, and we are making progress, but there are also those that are looking for a scam that can turn a quick buck, and they are an embarrassment to the entire engineering community. Just as there is good in every group of people, there is also the bad, and guess which gets the most visibility.
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          If I understand what Mick seems to be saying, it is that there's a difference between being cautiously optimistic and being seriously pessimistic, and you seem like the latter. If that's what he's saying, then I agree with him. It may be a scam, but you seem 110% certain that it MUST BE A SCAM without even hearing any of the scientific evidence first. And what's it to you if some scientists want to test it? Not like the testing is being done on YOUR dime!
          • The scientific community does not have the time to analyze every screwball idea that is presented to the media and still do any useful work.

            Let us forget all the technical questions for a moment and let us look at the monetary ones.

            Since they claim to have produced multiple prototypes, it would be very simple to pay an accepted testing organization like UL to test and document their findings, and if they want credibility, they could then have UL release these documents to the media. This would cost less that what they propose and would have significant visibility and impact.

            Also, any businessman that had a handle on the energy solution for the world could raise whatever funds necessary to commercialize this product and maximize the profit for his company. If he were concerned about the earth rather than profit, he would give sufficient details to allow development to proceed. Instead he has picked the field of magnetics which the general public does not understand and he is putting on this charade to capture the support of anybody that can provide funding in the next phase of his scam.

            It is very frustrating working in the energy field when the expectation is that a free energy source will produce unlimited power with little to no input and minimal cost. Just look through history, or even these threads and you will find a number of examples of this expectation, and solutions that never happen. Issues like this just set an expectation that will never be met, and leads to conspiracy theories about great energy advances that were bought out by large corporations.

            None of this addresses the real energy requirements of this world, and in fact just adds to the frustration. If you must believe, be my guest, you will not be alone. Myself, I will continue to work toward real world solutions and do my best to ignore the distractions of greedy individuals.
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              One think I know about the scientific community is that they like to feather their own nest, which according to this company is why the challenge was made.

              It's the same reason that you don't hear anything about Marko Rodin, yet it has been independently verified by HP that his coil produces more energy then is put in; and that was with the crude version.

              www.rodinproject.com/
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                <<The scientific community does not have the time to analyze every screwball idea that is presented to the media and still do any useful work. >>

                huh? isn't the aim of science knowledge?

                dismissing ideas before analysing them doesn't sound very scientific to me.

                i have to admit, i get a bit lost when talking about zero point/virtual gravity and quantum theory - but just because it's counterintuitive doesn't mean it's incorrect. closing the mind to ideas on the pretense of 'saving time' is nuts.

                one would think, if we're really serious about this endeavor, that there would be funds directed toward research and development. the massive amount of money spent to END research in these areas is what bothers me. huge energy conglomerates can afford to buy potential products or patents and shelve them indefinitely, ensuring the safety of the status quo.
                • Re: SCIENTISTS FLOCK TO TEST 'FREE ENERGY' DISCOVERY

                  Sun, September 17, 2006 - 5:08 PM
                  Even if this is a hoax i still know for sure that free energy or rather over-unity devices that work exist. A great example of this is the rodin coil. Its simple and easy to make. It produces twice the energy being put into the device and the inventor has papers from hewlet packard engineers stating that it is real and does just that. If this fellow claims that he is producing overunity from magnetic fields then i don't doubt his findings. I too have a curcuit that I designed for overunity that uses magnetic fields so i am sure that this inventor has come to the same conclusion.

                  why is it that the same things seem to be invented at the same time but in different parts of the world?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: SCIENTISTS FLOCK TO TEST 'FREE ENERGY' DISCOVERY

                    Sat, September 27, 2008 - 10:44 AM
                    Hi. I just joined this tribe. I'm no expert or purported expert. I'm an open-minded seeker of better ways for humanity. I've been practically involved... a hands-on guy who has participated in organic-food production & distribution, innovative initiatives in forestry, community exchanges, etc.

                    Having said the above, I find it interesting to read about something like the Rodin coil. But why isn't it in production, and why isn't it being applied to solve our many, many problems?

                    I don't like a dour, pessimistic and overly skeptical frame of mind. When the internet got going as the World Wide Web (WWW) in the mid 1990s, I found that a lot of people had put up web sites discussing over-unity energy ideas & technologies. Then, in more recent years, everything seemed to wind down... as though many of the ideas had turned out to be nothing more than mistakes, disappointments, and frauds.

                    I'm not saying that the whole "free energy" and "over-unity" scene is composed only of "mistakes, disappointments, and frauds," but simply asking the good and intelligent people on this tribe why the valid concepts and technologies (if there are some) have not gotten further by now? - 2008!

                    If Hewlett-Packard knows that the Rodin coild (for instance) works, why aren't they mass producing devices & equipment that make use of it? And if they are just 'sitting on' the idea, why isn't someone else producing something?

                    Tanemon
  • Oh, no; it gets even weirder

    Mon, December 18, 2006 - 12:19 AM
    I've heard stories like these from all over the last 200 years. It seems that men in white linen suits walk into patent offices with plans for perpetual motion machines that they claim to have invented themselves... when actually they channelled the plans from UFO entities or whatever voices in their heads, etc.

    Even though the plans don't work on paper, the machines work during the demonstration. But then one day the machine, or the entire lab burns to the ground without a trace, in a rash of electrical fires. And the "inventor" dissapears as well. And then 20 years later it all happens again.
    • Re: Oh, no; it gets even weirder

      Mon, December 18, 2006 - 9:13 AM
      I will have to disagree with you on one point. Unfortunately, I do not think it will be 20 years before we see this again. With the world in serious need of a new energy source, and with all the greed there is ready to take advantage of uninformed people, this and ones like it will continue to pop up on a regular basis.
    • Re: Oh, no; it gets even weirder

      Mon, December 18, 2006 - 8:07 PM
      > I've heard stories like these from all over the last 200 years.

      That's quite an accomplishment. Are you over 200 years old?

      Perhaps, we are the perpetual motion machines. ;)
      mmphosis
      • Re: Oh, no; it gets even weirder

        Wed, December 20, 2006 - 12:50 PM
        Wow, how did you manage to never see a TV show or read a book written before 1966?

        Dick!
        • Re: Oh, no; it gets even weirder

          Wed, December 20, 2006 - 7:47 PM
          I was too busy telling jokes about my dick.
          • Re: Oh, no; it gets even weirder

            Thu, January 11, 2007 - 4:44 PM
            Steorn's idea looks a lot like the Admas Motor, who's plans were DEFINITELY confiscated by the govt. It was quickly discredited as being a hoax and dismissed because the feds couldn't get it to work, even though Adams did get some prototypes up and running. The problem was the machining was not precise enough back then. It is now. My fingers are crossed, lets get this mass-effect underway.

            ...and please don't fight on this tribe...no point.

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